Wednesday, February 1, 2012

The Finnish Education System According To Me



Time for me to make an attempt at explaining the Finnish education system, while also trying to keep it brief and readable. I predict both of these aspects are going to suffer. I’m sorry, it’s going to be a snooze fest.

The Finnish education system is valued around the world, it has been stated to be the best one by a variety of researchers, and exams like PISA (Program for International Student Assessment) have supported this. It is indeed something of a pride to Finland, and I agree it is an excellent system, to a certain point. At university level, I, personally, start seeing cracks in it, but never mind that, we have other matters to discuss here.

Education is free from the get go. Only in upper secondary (term explained later) do you have to start paying for books, the rest still remains free. At university level you only have to pay a small, mandatory fee to belong to the Student Union, which looks after students' rights - note, this is not a tuition fee of any sorts ***. The fact that education is kept free, and that all educational institutions are looked over by a single government organ, pretty much guarantees that students have as equal as possible a chance at getting educated. This government organ, among other things, regulates what each student should have learned by certain point and looks over the quality of teaching provided.

Now, before I continue: You should note that the Finnish educational system and its levels are not really compatible with the American one, so, though I might state so and so is the equivalent of so and so of American variety, you should not take it literally and project your education system directly onto ours. I’m making the comparisons simply to make it slightly more relatable.

At the age of 7 (or 6, if you were born towards the end of the year like I was) Finnish children enter what we call ala-aste, which literally translates to ‘lower level‘. It is our equivalent of the elementary school. This stage lasts for 6 years, covering grades from 1-6. When we are the age of 13 (or 12, again if you were born later in the year) we move on to ylä-aste, which directly translates to ‘upper level’. It is our equivalent of middle school or junior high. The dictionary translates it to upper comprehensive school, which is the term I prefer to use if I have to translate the word. This stage lasts for three years, covering grades 7-9. During the last year of upper comprehensive school, it is time to start making some important decisions.

After graduating from upper comprehensive school, at the age of 15-16, you are done with compulsory education. You can choose to enter lukio (upper secondary) or ammattikoulu (vocational school). There are also some specialized institutions that are pretty much different types of vocational schools, they are more specific on the fields they offer. There is, for example, kauppaoppilaitos (a trading and business school) and maatalousoppilaitos (an agricultural school). You can also try getting a job directly after upper comprehensive school, which is extremely difficult without career specific education, or gaining some sort of an apprenticeship contract that enables you to earn a mainly vocational-school-provided degree by working and occasionally attending exams. The main options, however, are upper secondary and vocational school.

Vocational school is traditionally seen as a more relaxed option of the two and it is easier to get in to (lower grade average requirement). It directly starts to prepare you for a job in the field you choose to study and has very little general studies - it usually only takes three years to gain a basic degree. From these schools you can graduate to become things like an electrician, a car mechanic, a travel agent, a chef, a practical nurse, a media assistant, an artisan, a carpenter, a hair dresser, a cosmetologist, a datanome, or you can get a Vocational Qualification business and administration degree…etc. You get the picture. After earning your degree you can choose to start working or continue to ammattikorkeakoulu (polytechnic/ university of applied sciences).

Upper secondary (our equivalent of high school…and more) is traditionally seen as the more prestigious option of the two, and is known to be difficult to get through. This is the route to take if you want to enter university and have dreams of becoming a lawyer, a doctor, and so on. This is also the route I went with. Upper secondary does not prepare you for a specific field, instead it is pretty much deeper level general studies, and it lasts for three years. It has earned its reputation as difficult to get through because of a large amount of coursework and exams. Every school month ends in a week filled with nothing but exams. Sometimes students might end up having to go through seven exams in seven days, if they happen to have a lot of courses that month. Each exam requires plenty of reading as the study area usually covers the whole course book. Top this off with the actual regular school work, and some smaller exams, and it might start to look like a slightly intimidating picture, at least for those who didn’t attend it. (Those who did attend and stick with it, and paid at least some attention during classes, would likely tell you that it isn’t as bad as it may seem. You get used to it.)

The culmination of all this testing and work is ylioppilaskirjoitukset, the Matriculation Examination, the mother of all exams, and perhaps the main reason for people considering upper secondary to be difficult. It is a strictly supervised series of exams, created, held and graded on a national level. There‘s one round of exams in the spring time and one during fall, dividing your exam sprint to two. You are required to pass this examination in order to graduate and become a ylioppilas. The Matriculation Examination tests everything you have learned during the 3 years of upper secondary and consists of a minimum of 5 written exams and 1 listening comprehension one, though many students end up going through at least 6-7 written exams and 1-2 listening comprehension exams. Each written exam lasts for 6 hours and all of them contain only essay-based questions, foreign language exams being an exception on this (they include shorter questions, shorter essays and even some multiple choice). Listening comprehension exams last for a couple of hours. So, essentially, 6 times 6 hours and then some. You can imagine students will be pretty tired by the end of it all, especially when teachers tend to also hold practice exams to prepare them - these practice exams also last for 6 hours, providing the 'authentic feel'. I know I was tired of it all before even getting to the actual Matriculation Examination exams. My butt was pre-numbed for the occasion.

If all goes well and you pass, you will get your student cap and you are free to apply to higher education: Yliopisto (university) or ammattikorkeakoulu. Sometimes people choose to even go back and attend a vocational school instead. But I’m not here to talk about that, I’m just going to cover the university side of things.

In order to get into university, you have to go through an application exam. That’s right, after that hellish series of butt-numbing exams, there are more exams to go through. There is one for each major and each university. If you were to apply to study, well, say, archaeology and you apply to study it at University A, University B, and University C, it means you will still have three separate application exams you have to go through, despite it being all for one major. If you are lucky, some of the universities might have the same exam material (usually a nice hefty book or two) though - they sometimes decide to coordinate this out of mercy towards future students. There are some majors (I.e. geography, biology, chemistry, physics, mathematics) that accept people without application exams, if they have done really well at the Matriculation Examination of a particular subject, but a lot of people do not do well enough, so they too are stuck with the application exams. What makes things more challenging in the ‘getting-in’ business is also the fact that, you are directly competing to get in: Each major at each university usually accepts only 9-20 (10 being a common number here as I've witnessed) new students per year, and there are hundreds, if not thousands of applicants for each major at each university. Hence, getting in is not a given in any field. With law and medical school things are further complicated by this strange law that you can only apply to one law and one medical school, ever.

On to discuss university! Usually once you get accepted, you will have the right to study at that university for 7 years. Now, I have very little idea about how degrees other than humanities ones work, besides than knowing that they are more strictly scheduled and generally get more done than I feel like I ever do, so I’m not really going to cover anything outside of my “jurisdiction”, so to speak. I will be sticking to a degree in humanities, and how I perceive it to work.

Here’s how it works: You are in. Go nuts. Do what ever you want. It’s all on you. No one is going to tell you what classes to take beyond a small set of major-specific basic courses. You will need a certain amount of credits to get a degree though, and you do need to go through certain sets of courses, but basically it’s all up to you to get them scraped together, no one is going to look after you on that (unless you happen to become friendly with a lecturer, who then starts to worry about you if they don‘t see you shuffling down the corridors apathetically every now and then). For me, this plentiful freedom continues to be a bit of an anxiety-causing fact in our field, especially when I feel like I can’t gather together enough credits. I’ve grown jealous of sciences and their stricter schedules, first of all, they actually have schedules, and they get more credits on courses. But I digress…

The speed with which you achieve your Bachelor’s degree completely depends on your own studying speed in humanities, but usually it takes 2-3 years to get a B.A. of Humanities (which comes equipped with an M.A. in philosophy, I don‘t know how, don‘t ask, it says in my papers I‘m doing a B.A. in humanities and M.A. in philosophy, I do not question it, nor should you). After that it gets more fuzzy. It all depends a lot on your own chosen pace. Getting to MA might take around a couple of years. I’m not sure, I haven’t figured that out yet. Basically I’m of no help what so ever on things beyond B.A.. It’s like asking me what being dead feels like. No idea, I’ll let you know when I get there. Oh no wait, I can’t, I’m dead.

That's about it from me, really.

P.S. I feel like this is important to mention but I couldn’t fit it smoothly into any of the paragraphs above, so here it is: Our university’s course grading system goes from 1 to 5, 1 being the same as F (fail). Oh, and your grade has nothing to do with the amount of credits you will get, so long as you pass you are good.

P.P.S. The image above the text is The lyre of Apollo, the symbol of an upper secondary graduate, ylioppilas. There is a golden lyre cockade on the student caps of the graduates and it is tradition that graduates also buy their mothers a golden brooch of the same symbol. Also, the silhouette of Apollo’s head is the insignia of The National Matriculation Examination Board (the organizers of the Matriculation Examination exams). Bit of an Apollo fixation, yes.

*** (Yeah, remember seeing these three asterisks earlier in the text? Me neither. But whaddayaknow, they actually had a purpose!) For foreign (exchange) students, there is also a tuition fee of 3000€ (same for every university). This is a new thing that they began to implement only a couple of years ago, saying it is merely a trial of sorts. I don’t know if it is a permanent arrangement, but Finnish students and like-minded people greatly oppose this for a variety of reasons, one being pride over free education and the equality it provides.

- Mia/sterling

38 comments:

  1. Holy crap. 6 hours of EXAMS?

    For some reason now I just feel like everybody in Finland is extremely smart.

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    1. yep. 6 hours for each of the exams.

      And if it makes you feel better, I can assure whole of Finland is not smart, and not everyone even goes to upper secondary - a large portion of people don't do that. Hence they will forever avoid the 6-hour exams.

      To prove the fact that dumb people exist here, I can tell you about the 5-hour train ride home from visiting dad last summer. I happened to sit few seats away from a couple of girls also going to the same city as I. And I witnessed one of the most half-brained conversations I've heard in a loooooong while.

      It started with this:
      "is Christ Jesus or God? Or is it some Satan thing?" (probably thinking of the word anti-Christ here too)
      "I don't know."
      "Is B.C. before God or before Christ?"

      They then ranted about how they don't know the difference between physics and chemistry classes. And disapprovingly discussed about someone who didn't dress up pretty enough. And when they saw a crane, they didn't know what bird it was (it's a common bird in Finland, they have no excuse for not knowing what that bird was)...and when they were asked if they know the bird one of them responded "I don't know, I'm not a bird specialist."

      That is the quality of the conversation I had to listen to for five hours. They only shut up for a brief moment.

      Half the time I was just trying to figure out what age they were. They looked like college age girls but by the way they talked about physics and chemistry classes, it became obvious they were younger (and definitely not in university). So I was left thinking they were either middle schoolers, or upper secondary students, but I seriously doubted that people as...um...'knowledge free' as that could make it at a upper secondary.

      They could have also been vocational school students but I don't think they have physics and chemistry classes in vocational school. Maybe they were vocational school students who made it to polytech - polytech has those classes for certain fields. I don't know!

      Regardless I was baffled by their apparent lack of basic knowledge. I had a really hard time trying to zone them out during those five hours. I focused on reading my book. Only later did I remember I had my MP3 with me and could have blocked them out properly with some music. >_<

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    2. Oh, and good news: No six-hour-exams in university! Only 2-3-hour ones! :P

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    3. AH. Bimbos are everywhere apparently. I would have been glad to listen in to that conversation thought. It must've been really amusing. Although it would get irritating after a while.

      Can't tell the difference between physics and chemistry classes. HAHAHA.

      Is there like a large difference between people that choose to go to upper secondary and those that go to Vocational school? Like a "elitist" gap?

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    4. There is bit of an intellectual elitist gap yes. Most people who don't much care for school for one reason or another go to vocational school, also people who do not have high enough grade point average to do anything else, so, it has its reputation. For me, personally, it seemed like all the jerks from middle school, who made my life miserable, disappeared off to vocational school. :P FREEDOM!

      But really, not everyone who chooses vocational school over upper secondary is a slacker or unintelligent, not at all. They might choose vocational school simply because they prefer the practical nature of it, know that they wanna work in a profession taught there, and want to be able to enter working life sooner rather than later. Or they might have gotten intimidated by the rumours of how difficult upper secondary is and think they could never make it there, hence their only option is a vocational school of some sorts. (Some also drop out of upper secondary after they start feeling like it's not for them, going for vocational instead)

      I know my mom was sure upper secondary would be too difficult for me - because of all the things she had heard. She tried to even talk me out of it a bit (and I have to say, I did briefly consider vocational school). I'm the first one in my family to enter and pass upper secondary, and seek higher education. The older generation (my parents, their siblings) grew up in a different time, time when vocational school type institutions were, as I understand, a far more common choice - so they had a certain predisposition in the first place. Rumours only kinda confirmed it for my mom. Dad was more optimistic since his motto seems to be that you need to do what you like and want to do.

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    5. Ah, well it is similar to Malaysia in that way then. There's an "intellectual gap" that occurs not only between people who go to vocational school as opposed to high school, but also those that choose to follow the arts stream as opposed to the science stream.

      So did you find upper secondary a real big challenge? Difficult? But congratulations for being the first from the family! Way to be awesome :D

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    6. I don't think it was that big of a challenge. I had expected something faaaar worse based on the rumours of how students no longer had time for anything else besides school work. I got used to it fast. I went to a lovely smallish school, with some great teachers and atmosphere. I think that was a major factor in me liking it there, and learning. I do, however, know a person who went to a bigger and more prestigious upper secondary and she was very unhappy there because according to her places like that teach the same crap as the rest but they put more pressure on you.


      Anyways, I actually loved my time in upper secondary. I really miss it. Sure, some subjects I resented and hence their coursework and exams were something I simply did not want to do. Exam weeks could also get a bit tiresome and I wasn't thrilled about them, but it was nothing you couldn't live through. All in all I enjoyed my time there. I even visited the place just to say hi to the teachers after I started at university.

      Half way through upper secondary, towards the final year, I did start to burn out a bit: Knowing I could get away with it, I started doing homework less in some subjects, or I did them at last minute. By the time I got to Matriculation Examinations, I was pretty tired - the 6-hour practice exams were especially tiresome for me as I felt like they were sucking out the energy and creativity I had reserved and tried to build up for the actual Matriculation Examination exams. But I still managed well. 'Cept at math. *facepalm* But I can forgive myself for that one.

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    7. Your education system is definitely very fascinating. It's so complex and challenging but somehow, it works!

      Are the exams difficult to pass? Sitting through the 6 hours seems like half the battle so I was wondering if the pass/fail rate is extremely high or not.

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    8. Since the Matriculation Examination exams are graded on a national level it actually depends on how well everyone else in the whole country does when doing their exams on those subjects, on the same round as you. You have to do well on a national scale. There's always gonna be 5% who fail (Improbatur) and 5% who get the highest grade possible (Laudatur).

      (highest grade)
      L - Laudatur: 5 % of participants
      E - Eximia cum laude approbatur: 15 % of participants
      M - Magna cum laude approbatur: 20 % of participants
      C - Cum laude approbatur: 24 % of participants
      B - Lubenter approbatur: 20 % of participants
      A - Approbatur: 11 % of participants
      I - Improbatur: 5 % of participants
      (lowest grade)

      They are not difficult to pass if you simply write good answers, and are indeed good at that stuff compared to other people in this country, participating in the exams in the same round as you. Getting an L (5% of participants) or an E (15% of participants) is naturally more difficult than getting a C (24% of participants).

      I got an L on one exam and I'm darn proud of that L.

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  2. In the last exam, Matura, we also have 6 hour exams in German, Maths, English and 5 hours in Latin. But for example in English I was finished after not even 1 1/2 hours, so it was not that butt-numbing ;) The topic was very simple though: "You are a Mexican immigrant living in the US and you write a letter to your family in Mexico". Easy!

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    1. Most of the exams I have are 3 to 4 hours. I've never had a longer one. I was thinking of a 5 hours long Latin exam and brain started to hurt (by the way, I didn't have latin at my secundaria because I had more hours of... accountancy, for example)

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    2. Oh yes, as I understand the German abitur and your equivalent of it are similar to the matriculation examination we have here.

      Let's see, we have 2 exams on native language (both 6 hours), one exam on either math or second national language (Swedish, though if your native language is Swedish, then it's Finnish) - or both if you choose so, and many do (both 6 hours), 1 advanced foreign language, most commonly English (6 hours), 1 advanced foreign language listening comprehension exam (2 hours), Swedish listening comprehension exam (if you chose to take the Swedish exam) (2 hours) and at least 1 theoretical subject exam (6 hours), though most choose to participate in at least two.

      I went through the following exams myself: 2 Finnish exams (6+6 hours), math exam (6 hours), Advanced English exam (6 hours), Advanced English listening comprehension exam (2 hours), history exam (took this one twice because I wasn't happy with my grade) (6 + 6 hours), social studies exam (6 hours), exam of spoken English (2 hours).

      And during all of those I sat almost full 6 hours. There's a lot of writing and thinking to do so you can't get out of it too fast. And even though you were fast and got everything done in an hour, somehow, you are not allowed to leave. The exam starts at 9 sharp and you cannot leave till it hits noon. This is because the exam will accept people who came in late until noon. And the exam is the same nation-wide, so they can't risk it that someone leaves the exam early, calls a friend who is late and relays the information to them. So, you are stuck for minimum of three hours per 6 hour exam no matter what.


      .....okay I just realized I'm not sure whether listening comprehension exams lasted 2 or 3 hours. Oh well. They last long enough. Let's go with that.

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    3. We are allowed to leave earlier, but we don't accept if somebody comes too late. Why do they accept them in Finland, does it have any point?

      In detail our Matura looks like this (and it is different to German Abitur!):
      In general you can choose if you want to do 4 written exams and 3 oral exams, or 3 written and 4 oral. There is also the possibility to write a paper in a subject before, then you only have 3/3.
      You HAVE to write a six hour exam in German and Math. In German you can choose from three or four essay topics, for example argumentation, poem interpretation, essay, etc. In Math you just get 5 tasks you have to solve.
      You third written exam needs to be a language, so in my school the possibilities were English, Latin, Ancient Greek and French (now they also added Italian). You need a living language either as a written or oral exam (or both).
      In English you have a listening comprehension (I believe it was 1 hour), they use FCE (or CAE) material for that. Then you have to write two texts: impulse and longtext. Same goes for French and Italian. In Latin you have to translate a short text, answer some questions about the text and answer some questions about anything that we've learned.

      So for written exams I took German, Math, English and Latin.

      You can choose every subject (except gym class, obviously) for your oral exams. Each exam takes 15 minutes in which you have to answer two questions - one question from a topic we've studied and one about the paper you wrote before that. I should mention that you have to write a paper about any topic (you can choose, for example in English I wrote: "Languages in Lord of the Rings". Nerdalert!) before Matura. You usually start with writing in February/March, Matura is in May/June.
      Before the exam you have 30 minutes to prepare for the exam: the teacher gives you the sheet with the questions and you can take some notes, write a foil for the overhead projector etc.

      My oral exams were English, Ethics and German.

      I don't know if it's interesting for you, but I think it's also nice to compare our final exams!

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    4. I have no idea why they accept people who come in late. Especially when the teachers makes damn sure we understand how important it is to arrive in time. We have to be there at least 15 minutes before the exam starts because the supervisors need time to call our names and check our food, supplies, even glance over our clothing (nothing with text on it is allowed). Heck, my teacher told me about how she (or some teacher she knew, I can't remember) once actually called, and paid, a taxi to go get a student that was about to be late for the Matriculation Examination (and cabs are not cheap here). The ME is very srs bsns, as one might say.

      But I guess it's sort of a mercy thing, we are only human and mistakes happen - sometimes something just...happens. And we do have to pay to attend the test and if you can't get into this one exam in that one round, you will have to wait till the next round and that might screw up your rhythm to the point that your graduation is delayed by six months or a year.

      Oh you have those oral exam things! (I believe Germans have them too, I remember talking to a German girl who mentioned them a few times) The idea of them has always intrigued me on some level. It seems so strange to have oral exams instead of written ones. Unless it's a language exam.

      (Oh, and I didn't mean to claim that German Abitur is same as Austrian Matur - just that there are similarities to our ME in both of them.)

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    5. Last year there was a huge scandal because they send a student home before he could take his (oral) exam because he was not wearing a tie. He had to repeat it in autumn...

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    6. It's so fascinating that all your finals exams last so long! The longest exam I ever had was 3 hours!

      Is there any particular reason why the exams are so long? Do people actually use that entire length of time?

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    7. ...a tie? They sent him home over a tie? That's just, whoa! D: Poor kid. And I'm glad we don't have uniforms or dress codes other than the banning of text. And if you have text on your clothing, or supplies, it can usually be solved with some tape and help from the supervisors.

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    8. I think that some people actually use all the time.

      If you do it like they teach you in school, for example in German, then you are supposed to write a first draft, review it, write a final draft, read and review that again... etc etc. I guess if you really do that then you need quite much time... I never did it like that, I just write the final draft because from my experience I just make things worse if I change them XD

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    9. Well ours are 6 hours long because the exams really are quite extensive and require time for writing and thinking. The questions, or topics, do require essay answers, after all. And, as I remember, I personally did end up taking almost 6 hours every time. Some manage in less, some need to rush like mad even when given 6 hours.

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    10. Drafts indeed take some time, too. Though how we decide to do them and to what extent is up to us - most just do little thought maps and plan what to cover in which paragraph.

      With one of the native language exams the fact that we have to write a cleaned up final version of our essay takes a bunch of time. The cleaned up version is a version done entirely with a ballpoint pen, so many write a draft with pencil first to minimize typos and such.

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  3. First of all, I was reading through and thinking, on a personal level, that it must be amazing being academically challenge in a very early age.
    Second, I kind of like the organization of your system, but it feels like is only applicable to country as developed and with such a stable economy as Finland. If try to apply anything similar to this in a third world country probably you're going to generate a very strong elite and to increase the gap between the poor and the rich.
    I don't know, those were my first two thoughts after reading your post.
    By the way, not knowing the difference between physics and chemistry (being capable of learning it)= Punch you in the face in the name of Dalton and Bohr!

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    1. Ok, I'm about to reply to this in several comments because apparently there's a character limit to blogspot comments...and I violated it big time...

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    2. I suppose it is. You are usually darn proud of getting that white little student cap by the end of university. There is celebrating. The names of all upper secondary graduates are also published in a variety of newspapers and such. (Fun fact: after graduation upper secondary graduates, especially university and polytech students, wear their graduation cap every Walpurgis Day, aka May Day, in celebration of...well, being a student I suppose -- hey, Sarah, do Austrians do this?).

      First: I would never claim that this system would be something you can directly apply to a third world country. It would take a whole array of changes and development. Much like just about anything. Second: When the current education system was more or less developed, Finland was not the same as it is today! It’s important to remember that we are not a country that has always been the way we are right now.

      Okay, how do I do this without explaining the history of Finland from 1950's to today...I'm gonna be vague and messy sorry. I find it difficult to word what I'm gonna attempt to say here as it is a very complicated statement you made, and it would require a whole essay of complicated pondering on a variety of aspects. And I don't feel like writing an essay on this matter. So, bear with me and remember I speak from memory and not as a professional on the matter or as someone who has done research to make this response.

      As I said, when this educational system was developed, Finland was not the same as it is today. It was not as stable. There was a great turmoil of change, which I'm not going to go into. Don't get me wrong, Finland wasn't a third world country either, but... it's complicated-ish for a little blogger comment. Especially when our government was and is different from yours and those of the third world countries.

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    3. Basically, before, poor people could barely even dream of getting to university. Because it indeed required money to get there. And taking care of your own farm, becoming a wife or getting straight to work (or attending a vocational school type of an institution that teaches you a trade) after mandatory school was considered to be the less 'nonsense' way of life for a majority of the people. The attitude was, crudely and stereotypically described, "Work work work. Fancier people can go to universities and such, psh." So those "fancy" jobs went traditionally to people from wealthier families. Only in the midst of the turmoil of change and only by government initiative, the education system started to change.

      The development of an education system to a country is, of course, generally a complicated thing, we all know that as nerds. It is a process, requiring determination, even from a governmental level, which is not a given in a third world country, where I figure the work work work attitude might also be a ruling theme instead of "wait, wait some more, THEN work, work, work". And unlike in Finland there might not be a particular force to drive them to that different kind of an attitude.

      In Finland the development of this particular system happened practically over night, it was really fast, just like the post-war rise of the economy. During the past few decades education has only become more accessible, and acceptable. It has gone hand in hand with other development and the development of the educational system has helped narrowing the gap between the rich and the poor. No longer is it a given that wealthy people only attend university or become people who will continue to earn more money than those who do not attend university. What I’m sort of trying to say here, is that the equality happened hand in hand with the development of the education system - sometimes education system was the one leading the change. But of course the education system has not been some giant entity separate from other factors, like the economy. I guess my *main* point is that I wouldn’t be so sure about it making the gap between the rich and the poor only larger - especially if it’s coupled with other changes, which it would have to be really. Direct application of a system like this anywhere but Finland (and places already close to our system, like Sweden and Norway) would be a rather ridiculous idea, if you ask me. The government, history, economy, and other processes have been just...so different. I would have to study the history and government of each country we're talking about just to venture a guess as to what it would do to that country and its people. And even that would be a lot of speculation as I'm not a fortune teller and people aren't simple.

      This all could make an interesting subject for a thesis or a PhD in some field of social sciences though!

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    4. First, I must say that I've never thought that you assume that Finland's educational system was applicable in other country of the world, sorry if my comment seemed to be saying that. It was just a quick idea that I had, I know that you any kind of social phenomenon must be analysed in his historical/social/economical context. And example of that, In Argentina we have a good public education system (it has problems but compared with other south american countries, it's quite good) but the main reason of the gap between the poor and the rich, it's an economical problem, it's mainly related to the labouring market and the type of production, it's too complicated to explain for me, more in a blog and even more in english. But let's simply say that we passed through a few decades of really bloody and elitist dictatorships and a few more years of really corrupted governments, so by the 2001, when one of the worst economical crisis in our history exploited, Our levels of poverty were absurd (yeah I know, it's too difficult to explain, but I promise that if somebody is interested I'll make a post about argentinian history). Luckily, since 2003 our economy is growing and a lot of progressive political/social reforms were installed, in fact, I think we are one of the best moments in our history, there are a lot of problems, yeah, but at least we are better than before. This improvement was caused by political action related to protecting our national industries and creating new jobs, not based in any educational reform, we have the same system since the beginning of the century (most of it, there were clearly some small changes).
      Sorry if I wasn't clear then or now, it's a really difficult subject to discuss (and my english it's not at the level of what i'm trying to explain) but it's really interesting.
      PS: I truly loved the "we all know that as nerds".

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    5. So your point is that educational system alone is not the way to bridge gaps between the rich and the poor? I agree with that. As I said, it is not a stand-alone entity. A lot of other things needs to happen too. And it is a complex thing. But here, education reformation has been a big help on the matter as I see it, and unlike in many places like USA, where tuition costs are extremely high, even the poor have a good chance at higher level education. I consider that to be a good thing, it is something Finns in general seem to be a proud of. The government has been trying to suggest tuition fees during the past few years and each time people have gotten into an uproar about it, especially students.

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    6. In 2001, the government tried to install put tuitions payments too. But the student's protests were so big that they couldn't, in fact, the education minister and the minister of economics had to present their resignation as a result of that.

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    7. Had to even resign? That's pretty kickass. xD

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    8. Yes, when you have thousands and thousands of students marching on the streets demanding their resignation... the former president had no choice... Well, but a few month later had to leave the government palace on an helicopter because of the multitude rioting outside... the people outnumbered the police and other security forces... When I said that 2001 was a tough time, I really mean it.

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  4. All of this is so incredibly interesting and kind of makes me want to crawl back into my hole of American stupidity. I would've loved to have been academically challenged like that.
    Also, I like that once you get to university you don't have someone breathing down your neck telling you when and which classes to take.

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    1. Oh well, the American education system (or systems) is what it is. But no need to crawl into a hole here! ;D

      I actually also took the SAT when I was still attending upper secondary...can't say I tried too hard on that one, lol. But it was like entering a whole other world! Just...multiple choice everywhere! It was kinda pleasant after what I'd gotten used to.

      And, I'd like someone breathing down my neck. xD At least a little. I think I need it.

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    2. Now in university we only have multiple choice tests anymore... and I hate it. If I have a 50:50 chance, I pick the wrong one. So guess what happens if I have 5 options...

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    3. I'm studying humanities so I'm still deep in the world of essays xD It's fine, it's what I'm used to. I think I would find multiple choice fun though! If not just for the fact that it's a change of pace, then because it might be easier in some cases, when you have a vague idea about something but wouldn't be able to write a whole well rounded essay on it.

      As someone who takes occasional courses in astronomy though, I do get to encounter what some people at the physics department and alike consider to be essays and it amuses me. A professor called a 20-slides-long power point show a power point essay. Which is just adorable! He didn't even care if we used Wikipedia! "It's in English so you'll have to at least translate it anyways" xD It felt like I had been a wild horse, locked in a shed for a year and now suddenly someone just opened that door to freedom.

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    4. Ahaha a lot of people I knew wasted hundreds of dollars on SAT prep classes...I didn't prepare at all and got the scores I knew I would- great at critical reading/writing, and absolutely terrible at math =P

      I've taken AP exams though, and that's probably the closest I have to any of your really long exams. Sometimes it even feels like college is easier than high school...I suppose it's mostly because I like how it's structured.

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  5. Damn, I totally did not expect this much commenting and discussion on this particular entry! xD

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    1. Yes, The post is interesting, we had/have the time for it and we were/are in the mood for the discussion. It was the right moment.

      I need to improve my English. I feel constantly that my English isn't good enough to express what I'm wanting to say and In fact, I feel worse when I see that a lot of you, who aren't native speakers of the language, are great with it.

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    2. Aaawh, if it makes you feel better I too often feel like my English isn't good enough. When I write fiction, I always write in English and I often feel like I'm stuck using similar expressions over and over again simply because I don't know enough other ways to express them

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    3. No worries Lucas. Your English is more than adequate. A little bit kite practice and you will be fine. Plenty more discussions to come so the opportunity will be there!

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